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True Christians are disciples.

"Christian" is a made-up word. 

"...And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Acts 11:26.


Jesus always used the word "disciple" for His followers who believed in Him (and the Word which He is).

...If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

John 8:31.

The first elements of faith that bring salvation to each of us are belief in Christ and the cross for forgiveness of sin, and repentance! 

  • I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Luke 13:5.

Knowing the will of God is a great thing, doing the will of God is more difficult. We all make mistakes because the worldly sinful will of the flesh overtakes us at times. Always live penitently. 

  • For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good. Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. Romans 7:15-17.

Remember, we, the born again by the Spirit unto righteousness through repentance, barely make it into heaven.

  • I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. Luke 5:32; see also, Matthew 9:13 and Mark 2:17.
  • And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 1 Peter 4:18.


He knows us when His spirit lives in us.

  • ...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Romans 8:9-10.

Recall, the spirit (truth) of Jesus the Christ as a man is the Word of God.

  • Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. John 14:23.

Recall, the spirit (truth) of the Father as the Holy Spirit is the Holy Ghost (the Spirit of Truth) that also dwells in us. The Holy Ghost (Spirit of Truth) bears witness to the Word by reminding us what Jesus (the Word) said (says), teaching us all things, and quickening our mortal bodies such that nothing by any means should harm us as we are about the Father's will.



The Test: Disciple or Fake

The brethren say:

Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 1 Corinthians 12:3.

The Holy Ghost (i.e., the Spirit of Truth).


For example, anyone claiming to be a Christian but does not believe ALL of the Word of God as written in the New Testament of the King James Bible is a fake. Wow, that seems harsh. How can you say that? The Holy Ghost (Spirit of Truth) bears witness to the Word of God. Without that witness, there is no renewal (rebirth). That person is not "born again" or part of the group to be saved.


What is the solution?

Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.


Yes. All of us who are born again of the Spirit (the saved) are supposed to be loving as God is love, but if trying to save someone from death with the truth would offend their feelings should we let them die? Is that loving? God doesn't think so.



Considering the Brethren

Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

2 Thessalonians 3:6.

  • But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. Galatians 2:11.

The Blame: ? advocates a bogus doctrine of religion. He says the Holy Ghost and the gifts of the Spirit from the Father do not indwell mankind today ("Cessationism"), even though the King James New Testament and Jesus say they do.


The Issue: The doctrine of Cessationism separates man from God. ANY doctrine that separates man from God IS, by definition, a dangerous, murderous, bogus doctrine of religion. 


Facts: The Cessationist's bible removed all references naming the Holy Ghost from the New Testament. The gifts of the Spirit that the Cessationists claim cannot indwell man today come from that same Holy Ghost their bible has excised and no longer names. The Bible says the Holy Ghost teaches us all things, including the discerning of spirits, and reminds us of whatever Jesus (the Word) said. Clearly, the Cessationist's doctrine quenches the Spirit of God contrary to the will of God, the Word.

  • Quench not the Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 5:19.

The Irony: As a Cessationist, ? doesn't believe the indwelling of the Holy Ghost and gifts of the Spirit are for man today. One of the gifts of the Spirit is healing, and another is discerning of spirits (see 1 Corinthians 12:9 and 10 respectively). 


The Word: The gifts of the Spirit come with the "another Comforter" (i.e., the Holy Ghost) Jesus said we want and shall get to dwell in us. Simply stated, the Holy Ghost indwells man for the renewing of him. 

  • Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus 3:5.

No doubt, the gifts of the Spirit from the Holy Ghost help us become the best testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Word of God, in this life now. Think of it this way: our assistance package from the Spirit are the gifts of the Spirit specifically suited for us individually based on the purposes He purposes in us. 

  • But if the Spirit of him [the Father] that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he [the Father] that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit [the Holy Ghost] that dwelleth in you. Romans 8:11.

The gifts quicken us (as first fruits personally and for the body of Christ) to do what the Father wants us to do as ambassadors for Jesus and in His name now in this lifetime. 

  • Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God. 2 Corinthians 5:20.

Our best life now is ambassadorship for Jesus the Christ! 


Of course, when the Father uses the gifts in us to do His work, as the Spirit wills, it is up to Him as to "who, what, when, where, how, and why," but we must remain ready and willing. If we are, He will always use us. Apparently, ? is not ready or willing to receive the Holy Ghost even though God said the Holy Ghost can heal and give perfect discernment (1 Corinthians 12:9-10). 

  • For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. Hebrews 6:4-6.

What must we do?

We try to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace between the brethren.

  • I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. Ephesians 4:1-3.

However:

The Cessationist causes division and offenses contrary to the doctrine of Jesus Christ and the brethren and should be avoided.

  • Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. Romans 16:17.

The Cessationist has a form of godliness but denies the power thereof from the Holy Ghost indwelling man. Everyone should turn away from them.

  • ...Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2 Timothy 3:5.

The Cessationist's attacks on the brethren are disorderly, and everyone should withdraw themself from their company.   

  • Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. 2 Thessalonians 3:6.

Assumptions:

  • ...we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. Romans 8:28.

We should assume ? does not wish to strip the gifts from the Holy Ghost as the bearer of them, and he would rather not cling to his bogus doctrine of Cessationism and deny the Brethren the power of God. Accordingly, please get back in sync with the brethren.

  • For he that is not against us is on our part. For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward. And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. Mark 9:40-42.

You may be taking a risk that you should not be comfortable taking.

  • And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven. Luke 12:10.
  • But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation. Mark 3:29.

Despite their own bogus doctrine of religion, Cessationists often call out other believers who do not observe their religious doctrines.

  • Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. Romans 2:1.

By wrongly attacking some of the brethren, he proves he lacks the discernment that is only available from the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. 


For example, ? mocks the concept of a "best life now" (and a book authored by Joel Osteen). For clarity, Osteen's "best life now" ministry means living "victoriously in this life now" by the Spirit. It's an outlook of hope and faith in God in every situation, and it pleases God. 


Osteen's messages of hope and the best life now are the same messages Jesus gave the believer on earth because becoming born again of the Spirit is the beginning of the best life the moment it happens! Cessationists still see things from the weak flesh and wish to remind us of the conflict between the best fleshly life now and 2 Corinthians 11:23-33.


Osteen's messages advocate turning away the enemy. They reinforce the premise that God and His ways are totally sufficient, always positive and supportive, and will withstand criticism. The enemy is the opposite of that. Remember, any fear or concern that God or His ways are insufficient IS the enemy. 


Moreover, common sense says Osteen's voice of hope in the wilderness is better for the lost and weak and pleases God more than the religious stones thrown at the voice of a brother a Cessationist doesn't know but rejets. 


What is it to you (or anyone) if God has any of us doing exactly what we are doing? 

  • Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. John 21:21-22.

We are all to follow the Lord Jesus-the Word of God!


[FWIW, Osteen and I have never met.]

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Setting the Record Straight:

We know, the spirit of the man Jesus is the Word of God. The Word is God and the reason Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah. Thus, the "faith of Jesus-the Christ" IS the "faith OF the Word" as the bond between the Father and His Word as a son in the Spirit, and between Jesus (the Word) and us as a son, the body of Christ.


As the body of Christ here on earth, the born again are all Word of faith creations of the Spirit by (starting with) the Word.

  • And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt. Mark 14:36.
  • But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. Galatians 3:22.
  • I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20.
  • Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:... Romans 3:22.
  • Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 14:12.


  • In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1.

The Word of God is written in the King James Bible, the most accurate and reliable bible of them all no doubt.


As new creatures. there is no competition within the body of Christ IF we remain in one accord and one mind. We do that through the Word, not a socialised "version" of it.  Those with the best understanding of the Word are better off. That's a fact. 


The King James Bible is proven to be the most reliable Bible! 


The non-King James "versions" don't agree with the truth of God because the scriptures and doctrine cannot be reconciled using only the words written in them. Example: What did your version do with the Holy Ghost? 


Sadly, some leaders in the church are paid to endorse those weak and beggarly versions that stunt growth while securing the middleman status they enjoy so much. 

  • Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. Galatians 6:7.

Do not mock the Word in any way. A person reaps what they sow, and we pray for repentance.


Knowing we are His ambassadors, ambassadors of the Word, born again in Him by the Word of our Father, we are not the old sinners. 


In the verses below, the "mercies" are when we know God spared us from something, and "bowels" means "inward man", the person inside themself, e.g., "the gut feel", while "disemboweled with a sword" refers to a persons physical "innards". Thus, the bowels or inward person of Jesus Christ is the Word of God! (See the difference between the inward (inner) man and the outward man.)

  • For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ. Philippians 1:8.
  • If there be therefore any consolation in Christ, if any comfort of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any bowels and mercies, Fulfil ye my joy, that ye be likeminded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves. Philippians 2:1-3.
  • When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled. John 11:33.
  • And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. Romans 8:23.
  • Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Romans 8:26.


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